Διεθνείς λογοκρισίες στα indymedia υπέρ της ΣΟ του athens.

Προσπαθώ σιγά σιγά να εντοπίσω και να αντιγράψω εδώ άλλες καταγγελίες που έχουν γίνει για την μόνιμη και διαρκή λογοκρισία της κλίκας που λέγεται ΣΟ στο athens.indymedia.org. Μια που μου είχε ξεφύγει εντελώς και όταν είχε γίνει αλλά και αργότερα είναι η καταγγελία κάποιας pipitsa. Υπάρχουν κάποιες πολύ ενδιαφέρουσες ιδιαιτερότητες σ’αυτή την καταγγελία. Πρώτα απ’ όλα η καταγγελία έγινε στο athens όπου και την έφαγε γρήγορα γρήγορα το μαύρο σκοτάδι όπως συνήθως. Προφανώς κάθε είδους κριτική προς τις εξουσίες που ασκεί η ΣΟ απαγορεύεται όπως και σε κάθε άλλη δικτατορία. Μετά όμως η pipitsa επέμεινε και σε αρκετά άσχημα αλλά τουλάχιστον κατανοήσιμα Αγγλικά, έστειλε το ίδιο κείμενο μεταφρασμένο στο UK indymedia, στο Netherlands indymedia και στο Spain indymedia (madrid.indymedia.org). Δεν έχω ιδέα αν έστειλε το ίδιο κείμενο και αλλού, το βρήκα όμως μόνο σε αυτά τα τρία.

Ας δούμε πρώτα την τύχη του στο prod.indymedia.nl ή αλλιώς Independent Media Center of the Netherlands.

https://prod.indymedia.nl/en/2007/08/46570ruis.shtml

Άφαντο. Δεν έκανα καμιά προσπάθεια να το βρω στα κρυμμένα μιας και δε ξέρω τη γλώσσα, όποιος θέλει να χαλάει το χρόνο του ας προσπαθήσει να το βρει.

Ας δούμε και την τύχη του στο madrid.indymedia.org.

Por pipitsa, enviado por anónim@ el Jue, 16/08/2007 – 21:11

About the censorship in athens indymedia and not only…..

[erased by imc-madrid]

We don´t allow this kind of “notices” according with our declaration
http://madrid.indymedia.org/mod/info/display/acerca_del_uso_de_la_her/in…

where there is personal information, pictures, etc that as the imc-athens says can be used by the police or others..

sorry

Οι Ισπανοί “σύντροφοι” λοιπόν το κόψαν. Μιλάνε για στοιχεία που θα μπορούσε “όπως λέει και το athens imc να χρησιμοποιήσει η αστυνομία”. Δεν έχω βάλει την καταγγελία της ίδιας της pipitsa ακόμα γιατί προηγείται μια άλλη ιδιαιτερότητα. Το ότι η αγαπημένη μας ΣΟ του athens.indymedia πήγε και άφησε σχόλιο στο madrid γεμάτο ψέμματα και κλάψα ζητώντας από τη ΣΟ του madrid να κόψει την καταγγελία!

dont feed the troll

The Athens IMC Collective

Even from the first lines of this “critic…” it is obvious that this “article” isn’ t a critical one but a characteristic example of troll (just look the nick).

The main purpose of this “article” is to say terrible lies about the action of Athens Indymedia in order to put a finger on the members so the police can arrest them (the example of Dimitrakis).

This “critic” is full of lies with obvious purpose to undermine and disinform about the action of Athens Indymedia Collective and its members (of course, there is no journalist, or any other professional interests in the terms of IMC Athens).

The basic principles of Indymedia are violated just from the phrase “control the media”. This “critic” is a part of an organized attack which happens every day the last month especially the 15th of August, a day of holiday for everyone in Greece.

It has to be noticed that before this “attack” Athens Indymedia brought to the front very serious incidents of police brutality which remained at the front from all the mass media, every day in Greece during the previous month.

It is a question why an “article” like this remains still in publish with no contact with the Collective of Athens Indymedia at first.

For all the reasons above we ask from you this “article” to be hidden. If you would like to contact with us please use the e-mail

DON’ T FEED THE TROLL

::The Athens IMC Collective::

Οπότε λοιπόν έχουμε και λέμε α. τους στοχοποιεί στην αστυνομία β. είναι αποτέλεσμα γενικευμένης επίθεσης (μάλλον από την αστυνομία και αυτή) γ. πριν δημοσιευθεί αυτό έπρεπε να συμβουλευτούν την ΣΟ του athens στα κρυφά με e-mail ώστε να κουκουλώσουν το ζήτημα μακρυά από τα μάτια του κόσμου.

Πρώτα απ’ όλα ας γελάσω με την στοχοποίηση στην αστυνομία. Από πότε συλλαμβάνει η αστυνομία για λογοκρισία; Άλλωστε μας έχουν πρήξει με την “ανοιχτή” συνέλευση που όσοι την επισκέφτηκαν μιλάγαν για τραμπουκισμούς από την κλίκα. Δε μπορεί να τους συλλάβει η αστυνομία στην γνωστή συνέλευση και περίμενε μια pipitsa να τους κάνει ρόμπα στα διεθνή indymedia για να δράσουν; Ελεεινά ψέμματα.

Δεύτερον, το κλασσικό επιχείρημα κάθε απατεώνα είτε πολιτικού είτε μη είναι να ταυτίζει όλους τους εχθρούς του. Έτσι εξυπηρετεί δύο σκοπούς. Και φαίνεται λες και υπάρχει μόνο ένας εχθρός που κατευθύνει τα πάντα άρα έχουν λαϊκή υποστήριξη παρά τις “επιθέσεις” αλλά και φαίνεται ότι ο καθένας που κάνει κριτική ή “επιθέσεις” έχει τις ιδιότητες του ενός μεγάλου εχθρού δηλαδή είναι μπάτσος. Και γκεμπελισμός από τη ΣΟ και δε μπορώ να πω ότι μου κάνει εντύπωση πλέον. Για να μη σχολιάσω το πως καρπώνεται η ΣΟ και το έργο των λιγοστών πια χρηστών του μέσου που κάνουν τις αποκαλύψεις (η ΣΟ μόνο admin ξέρει να κάνει δηλαδή να κόβει και να ράβει ότι της καπνίσει) αλλά και τις επιθέσεις που γίνονται όχι επειδή η συγκεκριμένη κάνει κανένα έργο αλλά γιατί εκεί διαλέγουν να κάνουν αποκαλύψεις διάφοροι άνθρωποι.

Τρίτον, εγκαλούν τη ΣΟ του madrid.indymedia.org επειδή δεν κουκούλωσε το θέμα πριν προλάβουν να το κουκουλώσουν οι ίδιοι στα κρυφά με e-mail. Μαφιόζικοι τρόποι συνενόησης που όμως η ΣΟ της madrid προς ξεφτίλα της υπάκουσε και τελικά έκοψε το άρθρο.

Εκτός από το σχόλιο της ξεφτιλισμένης Αθηναϊκής ΣΟ όμως πρόλαβε να σχολιάσει και η pipitsa.

Re: A Critic On The IMC OF Athens Indymedia

pipitsa

The text (response) shows the art of thinking and practise of its authors. They demand, this time, CENSORSHIP by the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY of indymedia. In the name of the police and the fear!
And in Fact, few indymedia refused to publish my text. Among them is indymedia.org and indymedia. germany.
If the censorship is general, than who will give “voce” to those who are “sin voce”?

Ο τρόπος που το γράφει είναι διφορούμενος λόγω των κακών Αγγλικών αλλά φαίνεται να εννοεί ότι την έκοψε και το κεντρικό indymedia.org αλλά και το Γερμανικό. Τόσο καλά.

https://madrid.indymedia.org/node/4078

Μετά από αυτό βρήκα και την καταγγελία που έγινε στο UK indymedia αφού έψαχνα αρκετά μέσα στα κρυμμένα. Περιττό να πω ότι το search στα indymedia δεν περιλαμβάνει και το database των κρυμμένων και συνήθως δεν το καταγράφουν τα spiders των search engines οπότε μόνο με το χέρι μπορείς να βρεις αυτά που ψάχνεις. Λόγω αυτού το google δε μου βρήκε το άρθρο απευθείας στα κρυμμένα του uk indymedia αλλά στην mailing list του που δημοσιεύεται στο internet. Και μάλιστα σε ενα thread που ασχολούνταν με κρυμμένα άρθρα και σχόλια χωρίς αιτιολόγηση από κάποιον από τους συντάκτες της ΣΟ του uk indymedia. Μέσα σ’αυτή τη λίστα βρισκόταν και η καταγγελία της pipitsa.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2007-September/0907-ge.html

> 2007-08-16 14:30 > 2007-08-18 19:18 > Pub. - Hidden A Critic On The IMC Of Athens Indymedia (378432) > by pipitsa (english) > | edit | Comments (3) ben - hidden non news i think. > 2007-08-18 19:18 ana hide 

Εδώ η (γελοία) εξήγηση που έδωσε ο Άγγλος λογοκριτής ήταν ότι δεν ήταν news. Αρχικά όμως δεν είχε εξήγηση το κόψιμο. Για όποιον ενδιαφέρεται να διαβάσει όλο το thread και δε ξέρει πως λειτουργούν τα mailing lists απλά πατάει το link next message που υπάρχει κάτω από το γράμμα και βλέπει την σαπίλα.

Τελικά όμως βρήκα και την αρχική δημοσίευση στα καθόλου πρακτικά τους κρυμμένα. Ας τη βάλω επιτέλους ολόκληρη για να ξέρουμε για τι πράγμα μιλάμε.

A Critic On The IMC Of Athens Indymedia

pipitsa | 16.08.2007 14:30 | Gender | Globalisation | Indymedia | World

About the censorship in athens indymedia and not only……
How can we control the media if the leading Collective control us?

This question is motivated by the authoritarian practice and mentality that characterize the leading Collective of athens indymedia.
Indymedia is in general hierarchically structured just like an organization. There are few volunteers who control the national medium and the others, the participants,volunteers too, who write news, comments,articles, share music etc.
It is to say that i am not opposed to leading Collective. But under the condition that their members respect the basic principles which determine the whole community (real or virtual) and must be valid for both: leading Collective and members, in the case of indymedia: moderators and participants.
Indymedia works on the simple democratic principles of free information and expression and has a wide spectrum of goals from free information to the anticapitalistic activities.
All the participants but first of all the imCollective should be able to avoid or to manage effectively postings which promoting in any form discrimination and in the same time to ensure the terms for a really critical dialog based on comments and analysis of the published news or articles.
If on the contrary the Collective of indymedia leads the medium promoting either a) its ideology and the interests of the group or organization to which the members belong or/and b) in any form discrimination: defamation of persons, sexism, xenophobia, racism etc. or/and c) professional interests (especially in the case that a member or members of the imc is/are journalist/s in an official medium) than we have to confront not only a problematic but a truly crucial situation.
The leading Collective of athens indymedia has transformed gradually a site full of life into a dead corpus. The members use their position to censor without an explanation posts not according to their political ideas or to their moods. Furthermore they use their positions to promote posts which are discriminating for people without any political or economical power , for example the daily attacks against a trotskist musician, for radical left groups, for the Communist Party of Greece as well as for groups which belong to the punk scene.
I think that democracy requires either respect of principles and limitations or absolutely free publication of all opinions and ideas without censorship. But in no case that what the members of imc Athens practise,
, the use of the medium for their own benefits.
I have been hundred of times censored by the imc athens. And i want to show by two examples the political as well as the sexist thinking of its members.

Censorship as weapon to promote the line and interests of their own political group
The case Ioannis Dimitrakis

Since one year we confront a problem in the anarchistic scene related to Dimitrakis Ioannis and the connection of the anarchists with the common criminals.
Dimitrakis has been arrested as bank robber in 2006. According to the police and the official press he was together with 3 other persons. But only he was arrested. In a public letter and in two press interviews Dimitrakis has admitted his involvement in the robbery and has justified it on the base of his anarchistic convictions: he became a bank robber because he was against the wage slavery.
See for example two publications from dozen articles
extlink.gifhttp://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=532423

(the public letter from Dimitrakis)

or
extlink.gifhttp://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=730738
(from an official newspaper an article about him titled: “Speech about a disobedient person who became a robber”)

During the trial of Dimitrakis, one month ago, appeared witnesses who defended him in the following way: they said that 43.000 euros found in post office box in his name are collected as a “solidary fund” for political prisoners so they could pay for their legal defence. They added that Dimitrakis has been entrusted to keep the money because of his “high moral”. The court sentenced him to 25 years in prison.
There are two factors that must be known if one wants to understand this case. Firstly that numerous of persons are political prisoners in Greece and secondly that the justice,police and press try constantly to cultivate the idea that activists are identical with common criminals, who act total selfish.
Also there are in the greek jails over 20 political prisoners. 13 of them have been accused of being members of the guerilla organization 17 November. Among them there is the multiinjured Savas Xiros, a man who was medical tortured in the hospital “Evangelismos” in Athens and whose health situation is very critical. 1 prisoner has been accused of being member of the organization ELA (Revolutionary Popular Struggle). 3 persons are arrested during the march of the European Social Forum in Athens (2006). 1 person has arrested accused of attacking the president of the General Confederation of Workers. And other persons who i have forgotten. A great number of demonstrators is arrested during the demonstrations against the privatisation of education. Among them a worker and Timo B. from Germany. Only few of them are known by name. The majority is unknown. We speak of them like this: 60 demonstrators have been arrested on 8/3/07 or 40 demonstrators have been arrested on 6/5/07. And the solidarity movement is divided in thousand pieces without coherence and power.
On the other hand as i mentioned justice,police and press attempt systematically to bring close social fighters and selfish acting criminals.
The leading Collective of athens indymedia stand from the beginning in solidarity with Dimitrakis. A member or members of the Collective belong(s) to the group of persons who defended him before and during his trial. No objections to it. The solidarity was in accordance with their personal and political viewpoints. But an objection should be raised in regard to their practice in indymedia. They have censored silent as usual every opposite opinion and eliminated every effort to become this case object for a real dialogue among the members of the indymedia community. Such an authoritarian attitude could not help even the person with whom the imCollecive stand in solidarity, that is Dimitrakis himself. Because it is a well known fact in Greece that many activists had been forced to sign “confessions” structured by the police. The same happens in regard to people who commit common criminal acts so that the state with its mechanisms,police,justice and mainstreammedia creates a situation of chaos and contradictions in order to repress and to defame every resistance movement

Censorship as weapon to promote sexism
Dworkin´s theory can be understood with relation to her physiognomy and private life.
Žižek’s theory requires an immanent understanding.

Before two weeks a person with the female nickname @mazon@ published in athens indymedia an
article titled “The sexistic character of the heterosexuality, sadomasochism and not only…”
extlink.gifhttp://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=744306#744307

The article appeared in the forum of indymedia, the only remaining section (in fact hidden), where discussion and analysis of news and different themes are still possible after the radical transformation of the newswire in 6 categories of publications and in two arts of comments in each category of publication. @mazon@´s article provoked an active discussion. With the purpose to support her point of view @mazon@ referred to Dworkin´s theory, total unknown to me. A lot of sexistic comments, signed with males and females pseudonyms, were published on occasion of this theory as thoughts,feelings or simple hard reactions to it. But nobody demanded from the imc of athens indymedia to censor posts as sexistic. And i think such posts are something natural because the majority of us is determined by patriarchal thinking. Then one of the participants considered as necessary for the understanding to download two photographs of Dworkin And another one added the following post: “Is this fellow Dworkin? That´s explained the whole thing”, that means “that´s explained her radical feministic theory about heterosexuality”. A few posts under the mentioned wrote another participant: “Not only now but also in her youth she (Dworkin) was grand Guignol”. @mazon@ and one or two others pointed out in their responses the sexistic elements in these posts and in other comments. They tried to get along with arguments and they did not demand any kind of censorship by the imCollective. At last appeared a post, which was the culmination of all preceding comments. In author´s opinion too much learning makes a woman mad and what happened to @mazona@, God forbid,- it should happen to another woman.
So i decided to download one of Slavoj Zizek´s wedding photographs with the purpose to apply the same external interpretation his theory as we did in the case of Dworkin, to make the sexism general, that is male and female, and i asked in my post the discourse community: “Do you like better the woman next to Zizek? She looks beautiful in jeans as well as in high fashion clothing. Become a theorist or earn a lot of money and you will get a woman like this. And how do you like Zizek? He keeps himself in form although he is over 60 years old. But i don´t like his huge belly and the frowning face of a mother boy that he has. In this age i prefer Mick Jagger. He is the owner of a real tower, is sexual and remains always a freak.”

extlink.gifhttp://www.higher-yearning.org/uploaded_images/zizek_wed-781848.jpg

My post and Zizek´s photo had been immediately censored by the imCollective of athens indymedia,but at the same time remained Dworkin´s photos and the sexistic posts against her and @mazon@ untouched. Again and again i published the same post with the same photo asking the leading Collective of athens indymedia why the censoship in the case of Zizek and not in the case of Dworkin. The Collective were obliged either to respect fully the principles of indymedia and so to censor both of them or to let both published An honest third position does not exist .Nobody from the imc responsed to me. If this should be ascribed to their authoritarian character (…otherwise “alternative” or even “anarchist” people) or if they are forced by a “higher necessity” to act authoritarian, i don´t know. It belongs to the nature of indymedia´s structure, that the leading Collective itself and its environment, relations etc. remain not evident for the participants.

Indymedia is not non – hierarchically structured as it is maintained in the mission statement. That is a bad myth. There are the leading Collective and the common participants with their own interests and their more or less narrow/open thinking and acting but the participants have not a power position within the medium. And there are national particularities. If the leading Collectiv proceeds totaly arbitrarily, if it is a mal gobierno, as Zapatistas say, then the participants abandon it. Or the medium is condemned to play the role of an alternative shop window of resistance.

P.S. 1. I have already published this text in athens indymedia during a discussion in the forum of the medium concerning the radical transformation of the nweswire.My nickname was @. I suggested to the members of imc to bring the described problems up for a discussion in athens indymedia. Both of them, post and text, were immediately censored.

P.S.2. Sorry for the grammatic,syntactic and other mistakes in my text. English is not my native language and it is not a language that i wished to learn.

pipitsa

Από πάνω η εξήγηση της ΣΟ του UK:

Hidden Article

This posting has been hidden because it breaches the Indymedia UK (IMC UK) Editorial Guidelines.

IMC UK is an interactive site offering inclusive participation. All postings to the open publishing newswire are the responsibility of the individual authors and not of IMC UK. Although IMC UK volunteers attempt to ensure accuracy of the newswire, they take no responsibility legal or otherwise for the contents of the open publishing site. Mention of external web sites or services is for information purposes only and constitutes neither an endorsement nor a recommendation.

Πως αντιτίθεται στους κανόνες δημοσίευσης ας το βρει ο καθένας μόνος του. Εδώ θα κάνω την παρένθεση και θα πώ ότι διαφωνώ κάθετα με τις απίστευτα σεξιστικές παπαρολογίες και της @mazon@ που είχα τη θλίψη να δω και στο original thread αλλά και της Dworkin. Παρόλα αυτά υποστηρίζω το δικαίωμα στο διάλογο και την κριτική αν και κατά τη γνώμη μου η @mazon@ θα έπρεπε να είχε κοπεί εξ αρχής ως troll.

Τι βλέπουμε από κάτω; Πρώτα απ’ όλα ένα κρυμμένο σχόλιο.

discussion on the above is censored on athens.indymedia.org

17.08.2007 07:41

I published an article calling for discussion on the above. It disappeared within seconds. The policy of athens.indymedia.org on censorship is the following: If an article is violates the imc principles it is labeled as hidden and is not shown in the main page. However it remains on the server and can be accessed through the “hidden articles” page. This normally would facilitate control over the people running the imc.
In the case of my article simply referring to the above and calling for discussion, all text has been removed, including the title and description. Obviously there was no violation of principles, however the censorship continues and athens.indymedia.org becomes a closed group of like-minded people.
Please advise! How can we reclaim the media?
Best regards,
A user of athens.indymedia.org who has been contributing and reading it for years and is now deeply disapointed.

another user

Κρύφτηκε με τον ίδιο κουτουρού λόγο που κρύφτηκε και το προηγούμενο, δηλαδή ότι παραβαίνει τους κανονισμούς δημοσίευσης. Ε ναι μη τολμήσει κανένας και πει ότι λογοκρίνουν οι “σύντροφοι” από Ελλάδα! Θα είναι προβοκάτορας και βαλτός της αστυνομίας. Να τον λογοκρίνουμε εμείς!

Πάλι από κάτω υπάρχει σχόλιο της ΣΟ του athens με ακριβώς το ίδιο κείμενο που βάλαν στο madrid σε κουτσοΑγγλικά της πλάκας. Προφανώς ήταν τόσο πετυχημένο το κειμενάκι τους και στα άλλα indymedia που παρακάλεσαν και κέρδισαν “συντροφική” λογοκρισία που είπαν απλά να το κάνουν copy paste. Αυτοί είναι οι “σύντροφοι” της ΣΟ. Όχι μόνο κάνουν λογοκρισία στο athens αλλά και σε άλλα indymedia παγκοσμίως μέσω αντιπροσώπων. Να τους χαιρόμαστε και να τους χαίρεται και αυτό το κομμάτι του χώρου που τους προστατεύει και τους στηρίζει.

Για κακή τους τύχη όμως κάποιοι σχολιαστές που πρόλαβαν να δουν το άρθρο πριν κοπεί κατάλαβαν πολύ καλά τι τρέχει.

The Lack of Common Sense

18.08.2007 13:35

I could hardly find a more convincing proof that the author of this article is closer to the truth (if not 100%) than the athens imc reply.
“we ask you to hide the article” and “contact us via e-mail” …so that nobody finds out we actually have lost our minds.
It would seem to me simply inconsistent from an indymedia collective to even think of hiding communication, facts, reasons, arguments from the public view. This IS what indymedia projects are for, right? To my eyes the athens imc is on a critically wrong path. I have been writing there for a few years and clearly the situation is getting worse. Yet this is the first time I got shocked by their ideas and their mentality so clearly stated in response to someone who dares to criticise them.

unanimous

Και άλλος ένας.

The truth finally is coming up

18.08.2007 16:01

I am one of the hundreds (or maybe thousands) of greeks that used to read and write or post articles in Athens indymedia. The truth is that problems of censorship have occurred since many years. But the situation got worse after (what it seems to be) a group of anarchists took over the complete control of the Athens IMC. Actually some members left the Athens IMC and formed their own “indy” webpage.
The accusations made at the first article are true. Me too I have been censored or witnessed censorship tenths of times.
An example of severe censorship is the following:
-During the demo of the European Social Forum (Athens May 2006) there were clashes not only between anarchists and the police, but also between anarchists and leftists (especially COBAS from Italy). As it was normal there was a lot of discussion about what happened at that demo (where several demonstrators were arrested, injured by police or by other demonstrators). I have been told by many people (leftists) that they tried to post their comment with their point of view and it was vanished. I am not taking anyone’s part in the dispute about who’s fault was the beginning of the clashes between demonstrators, but I believe that both sides should express freely their opinion.

If the situation is so bad, then why the people are not reacting?

-First of all there is a lot of reaction. People are asking the group that controls Athens IMC all the time “Why my article/comment is vanished?” Sometimes there is a response from the collective, sometimes not and sometimes even the question is vanished!!!
– The people doesn’t have many alternatives. Thessaloniki IMC was closed several years ago. There are a couple of other webpages (including the one made by people that have left Athens IMC) but they aren’t so well known. Many people they don’t know even that they exist. [Actually every time someone mention
the “other indy” is being censored in Athens IMC]. And because they are not so well known the amount of articles posted is much smaller. Most of the people who would like to spread some information would post it at Athens IMC
So most of us we keep visiting the webpage in order to be informed, although that we know that we cannot express freely our opinion. The situation is getting similar to the TV stations! We don’t like the TV channels that we have, but we cannot avoid watch them sometimes…
Censored

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/08/378432.html?c=all και εδώ είναι η σελίδα των κρυμμένων που φαίνεται http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/viewallposts3769.html

Παρόλα αυτά όμως η αλληλέγκυα ΣΟ του UK αποφάσισε να το κόψει και μάλιστα χωρίς σαφή δικαιολόγηση. Το ίδιο βρώμικο και αυθαίρετο παιχνίδι παίζουν και άλλες ΣΟ απλά λόγω της κλάψας της ελληνικής ΣΟ. Δεν τους κατηγορώ από μια άποψη. Περίεργες καταγγελίες μπορεί να κάνει ο καθένας και δε θα ήταν εύκολο γι’ αυτούς το να ελέγχουν την κάθε καταγγελία και στο κάτω κάτω δεν έχουν ούτε δικαίωμα ούτε υποχρέωση να κάνουν κάτι. Θα μπορούσαν βέβαια να αφήσουν την καταγγελία ως έχει και να επιτρέψουν ελεύθερο σχολιασμό αλλά αυτό μάλλον τους ξεπερνάει και αυτούς και ολόκληρη τη δομή του indymedia. Εκεί είναι το βασικό πρόβλημα. Δεν έχει προβλεφθεί από κανέναν το τι γίνεται αν μια από τις ΣΟ του indymedia σε κάποια χώρα ή πόλη κυρήξει αντάρτικο και αρχίσει να κάνει ότι της κατεβαίνει. Εκεί απλά διατηρούν το link από το κεντρικό και δεν τρέχει τίποτα. Απλά διαιωνίζεται η ίδια σάπια κατάσταση. Τουλάχιστον να μην κοροϊδεύουν τον κόσμο ότι τάχα το indymedia και το κάθε indymedia ανοίκει στον κόσμο του και στους χρήστες του και άλλα τέτοια ψέμματα. Το indymedia και το κάθε indymedia ανήκει στην κλίκα γύρω από τον άνθρωπο που ξέρει την τοποθεσία του server και έχει τα passwords των accounts. Αυτή είναι η τραγική αλήθεια.

Στο επόμενο επεισόδιο της κωμωδίας που λέγεται άμεση και αδιαμεσολάβητη (αντι)πληροφόρηση στο athens.indymedia.org θα παρουσιάσω άλλη μια απόπειρα διεθνούς πάλι λογοκρισίας πάλι από την δικιά μας τιμημένη ΣΟ του athens και πως αυτή εξελίχθηκε.

Για το ξετρύπωμα και το ξεφτίλισμα της ΣΟ για άλλη μια φορά στην λογοκριτική και συκοφαντική ζωή της, C3TM

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